"bad" to denote place names

is fairly common in the Indian subcontinent,Iran, and central Asia
(Hyderabad, Ashkabad etc.)
(1) is this extant in Europe also?
(2) What is the origin of this place-name ending?

In your area it's -abad, not -bad; Persian, IIRC.

In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
waters (e.g. Marienbad).

Helmut Richter

2008-03-28 08:20:35 UTC

Post by Peter T. Daniels
In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
waters (e.g. Marienbad).

Much more frequently in the form "Bad XYZ" where XYZ is the real name of
the location. See http://www.postleitzahl.org/ : get into the form
"Suche", choose "nach Ortsname" and enter "Bad".

--
Helmut Richter

C***@gmail.com

2008-03-28 10:19:56 UTC

Post by Helmut Richter

Post by Peter T. Daniels
In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
waters (e.g. Marienbad).

Much more frequently in the form "Bad XYZ" where XYZ is the real name of
the location. Seehttp://www.postleitzahl.org/: get into the form
"Suche", choose "nach Ortsname" and enter "Bad".
--
Helmut Richter

Yes. For some reason though, it is not used before Baden-Baden. You do
not use Bad Baden-Baden, although I think Baden-Baden is a traditional
bathing place. :)

Adam Funk

2008-03-28 21:32:42 UTC

Post by Helmut Richter

Post by Peter T. Daniels
In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
waters (e.g. Marienbad).

Much more frequently in the form "Bad XYZ" where XYZ is the real name of
the location. Seehttp://www.postleitzahl.org/: get into the form
"Suche", choose "nach Ortsname" and enter "Bad".

But "L'Année dernière à Bad Marienberg" isn't a very catchy book title.

Post by C***@gmail.com
Yes. For some reason though, it is not used before Baden-Baden. You do
not use Bad Baden-Baden, although I think Baden-Baden is a traditional
bathing place. :)

Doubly so.

--
Suddenly someone'll say, like, plate, or shrimp, or plate o' shrimp
out of the blue, no explanation. (Cox 1984)

b***@ihug.co.nz

2008-03-28 09:22:25 UTC

Post by a***@hotmail.com
is fairly common in the Indian subcontinent,Iran, and central Asia
(Hyderabad, Ashkabad etc.)
(1) is this extant in Europe also?
(2) What is the origin of this place-name ending?

In your area it's -abad, not -bad; Persian, IIRC.

My little book of modern Persian says a^ba^di 'inhabited place'.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
waters (e.g. Marienbad).

Emungo

2008-03-28 10:09:00 UTC

is fairly common in the Indian subcontinent,Iran, and central Asia
(Hyderabad, Ashkabad etc.)
(1) is this extant in Europe also?
(2) What is the origin of this place-name ending?

In your area it's -abad, not -bad; Persian, IIRC.

My little book of modern Persian says a^ba^di 'inhabited place'.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
waters (e.g. Marienbad).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If we're bringing in German -bad and Bad-, there's Gaelic bad which is
quite common in Highland geographic features and (I'm relying on that
great language source the Ordnance Survey here) means 'tuft, grove,
thicket'. Don't have suitable sources at hand to check what's going on
in English names Badminton and Badbury Rings. Is the latter perhaps
something to do with the AS feminine anthroponym Beaduburh vel sim
which I recall being at the root of some other toponym?

But a potentially more interesting and certainly more focussed
question is whether there are or were Persian exonyms for places in
Europe containing -abad.

C***@gmail.com

2008-03-28 10:23:59 UTC

In your area it's -abad, not -bad; Persian, IIRC.

My little book of modern Persian says a^ba^di 'inhabited place'.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
waters (e.g. Marienbad).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I cannot possibly think of what Gaelic word it could come from, but
then I am fluent in Irish, not in ScG. Irish has no word "bad"; there
is "bod", which is probably in some dialect pronounced as "bad", but
it is actually the word for "penis" (cf. the disparaging word for a
man, "bodach", and "gearrbhodach", meaning "an uppity young man", but
word for word "a short-penissed person".

Lanarcam

2008-03-28 10:25:18 UTC

In your area it's -abad, not -bad; Persian, IIRC.

My little book of modern Persian says a^ba^di 'inhabited place'.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
waters (e.g. Marienbad).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There is a village in Britanny, called Baden, I have no idea
whether it has common roots with Baden-Baden in Germany.

Emungo

2008-03-28 10:37:40 UTC

is fairly common in the Indian subcontinent,Iran, and central Asia
(Hyderabad, Ashkabad etc.)
(1) is this extant in Europe also?
(2) What is the origin of this place-name ending?

In your area it's -abad, not -bad; Persian, IIRC.

My little book of modern Persian says a^ba^di 'inhabited place'.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
waters (e.g. Marienbad).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Interesting. Well it does look like a recurrent element - Badenoch,
Badrallach, Badninish, Badnagie, Badnagan, Badluarach, Badcaul,
Badenscoth (= Scottish Baden? A transplanted community of German
enthusiasts for cold baths and and healthy living (cf Gordonstoun)?),
and a group of features described as "hill or mountain" beginning Bad
a'

I won't go into possible links between cold baths and short-penissed
persons.

Brian M. Scott

2008-03-28 18:43:18 UTC

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT),
[...]

Post by Emungo
If we're bringing in German -bad and Bad-, there's Gaelic
bad which is quite common in Highland geographic
features and (I'm relying on that great language source
the Ordnance Survey here) means 'tuft, grove, thicket'.

I cannot possibly think of what Gaelic word it could come
from, but then I am fluent in Irish, not in ScG. Irish
has no word "bad"; there is "bod", which is probably in
some dialect pronounced as "bad", but it is actually the
word for "penis" (cf. the disparaging word for a man,
"bodach", and "gearrbhodach", meaning "an uppity young
man", but word for word "a short-penissed person".

Dwelly does indeed have an entry for Sc.Gael. <bad> 'tuft,
cluster, bunch'; <bad chaorach> 'a flock of sheep', <bad
fuilt> 'a tuft of hair' are usage examples. MacBain says 'a
cluster, thicket' and notes Breton <bot, bod> 'bunch of
grapes, thicket'; he says that these are common in Breton
and Scottish place-names. Ah, here we go: Watson discusses
it in his _Celtic Place-Names of Scotland_. He says that
it's found only in Sc.Gael., meaning 'a spot, a particular
place', then 'a clump of wood', etc., also 'a tuft of hair'.
It has diminutives <badán> and <badaidh>, often used in the
sense 'a small company' (of men or animals). He thinks that
it's British <bod> 'residence', specialized to 'spot, place'
and then generalized to the 'clump, tuft' senses.

Brian

Trond Engen

2008-03-28 20:00:21 UTC

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT),

Post by Emungo
If we're bringing in German -bad and Bad-, there's Gaelic bad which
is quite common in Highland geographic features and (I'm relying on
that great language source the Ordnance Survey here) means 'tuft,
grove, thicket'.

I cannot possibly think of what Gaelic word it could come from, but
then I am fluent in Irish, not in ScG. Irish has no word "bad";
there is "bod", which is probably in some dialect pronounced as
"bad", but it is actually the word for "penis" (cf. the disparaging
word for a man, "bodach", and "gearrbhodach", meaning "an uppity
young man", but word for word "a short-penissed person".

[...] Watson discusses it in his _Celtic Place-Names of Scotland_.
He says that it's found only in Sc.Gael., meaning 'a spot, a
particular place', then 'a clump of wood', etc., also 'a tuft of
hair'. It has diminutives <badán> and <badaidh>, often used in the
sense 'a small company' (of men or animals). He thinks that it's
British <bod> 'residence', specialized to 'spot, place' and then
generalized to the 'clump, tuft' senses.

Germanic *bó:þo:- f. "residence; premise" <- "existence". Cognate, loan
or coincidence?

--
Trond Engen
- reiser bu

Brian M. Scott

2008-03-28 20:34:02 UTC

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:00:21 +0100, Trond Engen
[...]

Post by Brian M. Scott
[...] Watson discusses it in his _Celtic Place-Names of Scotland_.
He says that it's found only in Sc.Gael., meaning 'a spot, a
particular place', then 'a clump of wood', etc., also 'a tuft of
hair'. It has diminutives <badán> and <badaidh>, often used in the
sense 'a small company' (of men or animals). He thinks that it's
British <bod> 'residence', specialized to 'spot, place' and then
generalized to the 'clump, tuft' senses.

Germanic *bó:þo:- f. "residence; premise" <- "existence".
Cognate, loan or coincidence?

Not a loan, I think, on account of the differing vowel
length, but quite possibly a cognate. Matasovic says that
Welsh <bod> 'dwelling, place' is from PCelt. *buta: 'place,
dwelling, hut' (whence also OIr <both> 'hut', Corn. <bod,
bos>, and Bret. <Bod-> in place-names). He gives no PIE
source: 'There is a possible connection to Lith. <bùtas>
'home, house' < *bHu-to- but this might be accidental'.
Derksen accepts the relationship, as does Watkins. Clearly
<bùtas> and *bo:þo: are from the same PIE root, *bHeu-,
though one is zero-grade and the other lengthened o-grade.

Brian

l***@cs.com

2008-03-30 08:40:23 UTC

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT),

Post by Emungo
If we're bringing in German -bad and Bad-, there's Gaelic bad which
is quite common in Highland geographic features and (I'm relying on
that great language source the Ordnance Survey here) means 'tuft,
grove, thicket'.

I cannot possibly think of what Gaelic word it could come from, but
then I am fluent in Irish, not in ScG. Irish has no word "bad";
there is "bod", which is probably in some dialect pronounced as
"bad", but it is actually the word for "penis" (cf. the disparaging
word for a man, "bodach", and "gearrbhodach", meaning "an uppity
young man", but word for word "a short-penissed person".

Germanic *bó:þo:- f. "residence; premise" <- "existence". Cognate, loan
or coincidence?

"booth
c.1145, from O.Dan. boþ "temporary dwelling," from E. Norse boa
"dwell," from P.Gmc. *botho (cf. Ger. Bude, M.Du. boode), from base
*bhu- "to dwell" (cf. Lith. butas "house," O.Ir both "hut"), from PIE
base *bheue- "to be, exist, grow" (see be). Cf. also (see bound (adj.
2)). "

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=booth&searchmode=none

I add Baltic Latvian 'buda' - 'hut'.

C***@gmail.com

2008-04-01 22:17:47 UTC

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT),

Post by Emungo
If we're bringing in German -bad and Bad-, there's Gaelic bad which
is quite common in Highland geographic features and (I'm relying on
that great language source the Ordnance Survey here) means 'tuft,
grove, thicket'.

I cannot possibly think of what Gaelic word it could come from, but
then I am fluent in Irish, not in ScG. Irish has no word "bad";
there is "bod", which is probably in some dialect pronounced as
"bad", but it is actually the word for "penis" (cf. the disparaging
word for a man, "bodach", and "gearrbhodach", meaning "an uppity
young man", but word for word "a short-penissed person".

Germanic *bó:þo:- f. "residence; premise" <- "existence". Cognate, loan
or coincidence?

"booth
c.1145, from O.Dan. boþ "temporary dwelling," from E. Norse boa
"dwell," from P.Gmc. *botho (cf. Ger. Bude, M.Du. boode), from base
*bhu- "to dwell" (cf. Lith. butas "house," O.Ir both "hut"), from PIE
base *bheue- "to be, exist, grow" (see be). Cf. also (see bound (adj.
2)). "
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=booth&searchmode=none
I add Baltic Latvian 'buda' - 'hut'.

What a clown you are. Buda is obviously a Germanic loan.

By the way, why do you call it "Baltic Latvian"? Is there a Germanic
or a Slavic Latvian, too?

l***@cs.com

2008-04-02 04:48:04 UTC

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT),

Post by Emungo
If we're bringing in German -bad and Bad-, there's Gaelic bad which
is quite common in Highland geographic features and (I'm relying on
that great language source the Ordnance Survey here) means 'tuft,
grove, thicket'.

I cannot possibly think of what Gaelic word it could come from, but
then I am fluent in Irish, not in ScG. Irish has no word "bad";
there is "bod", which is probably in some dialect pronounced as
"bad", but it is actually the word for "penis" (cf. the disparaging
word for a man, "bodach", and "gearrbhodach", meaning "an uppity
young man", but word for word "a short-penissed person".

Germanic *bó:þo:- f. "residence; premise" <- "existence". Cognate, loan
or coincidence?

"booth
c.1145, from O.Dan. boþ "temporary dwelling," from E. Norse boa
"dwell," from P.Gmc. *botho (cf. Ger. Bude, M.Du. boode), from base
*bhu- "to dwell" (cf. Lith. butas "house," O.Ir both "hut"), from PIE
base *bheue- "to be, exist, grow" (see be). Cf. also (see bound (adj.
2)). "
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=booth&searchmode=none
I add Baltic Latvian 'buda' - 'hut'.

What a clown you are. Buda is obviously a Germanic loan.
By the way, why do you call it "Baltic Latvian"? Is there a Germanic
or a Slavic Latvian, too?

No, silly person..
The distinction is made to differentiate it from Baltic Lithuanian.

Paul J Kriha

2008-04-02 06:13:26 UTC

Post by l***@cs.com
[...]

Post by l***@cs.com
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=booth&searchmode=none
I add Baltic Latvian 'buda' - 'hut'.

What a clown you are. Buda is obviously a Germanic loan.
By the way, why do you call it "Baltic Latvian"? Is there a Germanic
or a Slavic Latvian, too?

No, silly person..
The distinction is made to differentiate it from Baltic Lithuanian.

Oooookaaaay, I must admit, I didn't expect that for an answer.

pjk

P.S. Craoibhin66, if you really want to see him spin, try
suggesting that "Baltic" Latvian borrowed it via Polish "buda",
or Cz "bouda". :-)

C***@gmail.com

2008-04-03 09:33:33 UTC

Post by Paul J Kriha

Post by l***@cs.com
[...]

Post by l***@cs.com
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=booth&searchmode=none
I add Baltic Latvian 'buda' - 'hut'.

What a clown you are. Buda is obviously a Germanic loan.
By the way, why do you call it "Baltic Latvian"? Is there a Germanic
or a Slavic Latvian, too?

No, silly person..
The distinction is made to differentiate it from Baltic Lithuanian.

Oooookaaaay, I must admit, I didn't expect that for an answer.
pjk
P.S. Craoibhin66, if you really want to see him spin, try
suggesting that "Baltic" Latvian borrowed it via Polish "buda",
or Cz "bouda". :-)

At least for Polish, that is not entirely impossible. However, the
German presence in Latvia since the Middle Ages already accounts for
the word. By the way, more cognates: "booth" in English.

Patrick Karl

2008-04-02 16:03:36 UTC

Post by C***@gmail.com
By the way, why do you call it "Baltic Latvian"? Is there a Germanic
or a Slavic Latvian, too?

No, silly person..
The distinction is made to differentiate it from Baltic Lithuanian.

You must be especially thick. Or don't you think that simply "Latvian"
isn't distinctive enough from "Lithuanian"?

Paul J Kriha

2008-04-03 06:59:45 UTC

Post by Patrick Karl

Post by C***@gmail.com
By the way, why do you call it "Baltic Latvian"? Is there a Germanic
or a Slavic Latvian, too?

No, silly person..
The distinction is made to differentiate it from Baltic Lithuanian.

You must be especially thick. Or don't you think that simply "Latvian"
isn't distinctive enough from "Lithuanian"?

Oh dear, oh dear, lorad.
People are beginning to notice, they talk and point the fingers!

pjk

l***@cs.com

2008-04-02 05:16:29 UTC

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT),

Post by Emungo
If we're bringing in German -bad and Bad-, there's Gaelic bad which
is quite common in Highland geographic features and (I'm relying on
that great language source the Ordnance Survey here) means 'tuft,
grove, thicket'.

I cannot possibly think of what Gaelic word it could come from, but
then I am fluent in Irish, not in ScG. Irish has no word "bad";
there is "bod", which is probably in some dialect pronounced as
"bad", but it is actually the word for "penis" (cf. the disparaging
word for a man, "bodach", and "gearrbhodach", meaning "an uppity
young man", but word for word "a short-penissed person".

Germanic *bó:þo:- f. "residence; premise" <- "existence". Cognate, loan
or coincidence?

"booth
c.1145, from O.Dan. boþ "temporary dwelling," from E. Norse boa
"dwell," from P.Gmc. *botho (cf. Ger. Bude, M.Du. boode), from base
*bhu- "to dwell" (cf. Lith. butas "house," O.Ir both "hut"), from PIE
base *bheue- "to be, exist, grow" (see be). Cf. also (see bound (adj.
2)). "
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=booth&searchmode=none
I add Baltic Latvian 'buda' - 'hut'.

What a clown you are. Buda is obviously a Germanic loan.

Please prove it.. with some etymology.
Do you have a more original root form.. a verbal form, perhaps?
Of course you don't.

Oh.. why wait?
I'll trump your proto-germanic pique right here and now:

Baltic Latvian: 'Buvet' - 'to build'; 'buva' - 'a building'

Now give me the German or 'germanic' equivalents.

Dušan Vukotić

2008-04-03 06:37:54 UTC

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT),

Post by Emungo
If we're bringing in German -bad and Bad-, there's Gaelic bad which
is quite common in Highland geographic features and (I'm relying on
that great language source the Ordnance Survey here) means 'tuft,
grove, thicket'.

I cannot possibly think of what Gaelic word it could come from, but
then I am fluent in Irish, not in ScG. Irish has no word "bad";
there is "bod", which is probably in some dialect pronounced as
"bad", but it is actually the word for "penis" (cf. the disparaging
word for a man, "bodach", and "gearrbhodach", meaning "an uppity
young man", but word for word "a short-penissed person".

Germanic *bó:þo:- f. "residence; premise" <- "existence". Cognate, loan
or coincidence?

"booth
c.1145, from O.Dan. boþ "temporary dwelling," from E. Norse boa
"dwell," from P.Gmc. *botho (cf. Ger. Bude, M.Du. boode), from base
*bhu- "to dwell" (cf. Lith. butas "house," O.Ir both "hut"), from PIE
base *bheue- "to be, exist, grow" (see be). Cf. also (see bound (adj.
2)). "
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=booth&searchmode=none
I add Baltic Latvian 'buda' - 'hut'.

What a clown you are. Buda is obviously a Germanic loan.

Please prove it.. with some etymology.
Do you have a more original root form.. a verbal form, perhaps?
Of course you don't.
Oh.. why wait?
Baltic Latvian: 'Buvet' - 'to build'; 'buva' - 'a building'
Now give me the German or 'germanic' equivalents

Latvian buda could be a borrowing from Germanic as well as from Slavic
(Serb. buda hut); from the Slavic verb biti (to be), Serb obita(va)ti
(to dwell). Latvian buva must be Serbian bivak (bivouac), again from
the above Serb. verb biti/bivati (to be, to exist, to be stationed).

Or it might be related to Serbian buva (flea) and buvara (calaboose),
ha, ha...

As I told before, Latvian is a kind of Slavic with a severe spech
defect. ;-)

DV

C***@gmail.com

2008-04-03 09:27:15 UTC

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT),

Post by Emungo
If we're bringing in German -bad and Bad-, there's Gaelic bad which
is quite common in Highland geographic features and (I'm relying on
that great language source the Ordnance Survey here) means 'tuft,
grove, thicket'.

I cannot possibly think of what Gaelic word it could come from, but
then I am fluent in Irish, not in ScG. Irish has no word "bad";
there is "bod", which is probably in some dialect pronounced as
"bad", but it is actually the word for "penis" (cf. the disparaging
word for a man, "bodach", and "gearrbhodach", meaning "an uppity
young man", but word for word "a short-penissed person".

Germanic *bó:þo:- f. "residence; premise" <- "existence". Cognate, loan
or coincidence?

"booth
c.1145, from O.Dan. boþ "temporary dwelling," from E. Norse boa
"dwell," from P.Gmc. *botho (cf. Ger. Bude, M.Du. boode), from base
*bhu- "to dwell" (cf. Lith. butas "house," O.Ir both "hut"), from PIE
base *bheue- "to be, exist, grow" (see be). Cf. also (see bound (adj.
2)). "
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=booth&searchmode=none
I add Baltic Latvian 'buda' - 'hut'.

What a clown you are. Buda is obviously a Germanic loan.

Too easy: Bude, which means "hut", "cabin", Middle High German
"buode", which is demonstrably related to the verb "bauen", to build.

C***@gmail.com

2008-04-03 09:30:01 UTC

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT),

Post by Emungo
If we're bringing in German -bad and Bad-, there's Gaelic bad which
is quite common in Highland geographic features and (I'm relying on
that great language source the Ordnance Survey here) means 'tuft,
grove, thicket'.

I cannot possibly think of what Gaelic word it could come from, but
then I am fluent in Irish, not in ScG. Irish has no word "bad";
there is "bod", which is probably in some dialect pronounced as
"bad", but it is actually the word for "penis" (cf. the disparaging
word for a man, "bodach", and "gearrbhodach", meaning "an uppity
young man", but word for word "a short-penissed person".

Germanic *bó:þo:- f. "residence; premise" <- "existence". Cognate, loan
or coincidence?

"booth
c.1145, from O.Dan. boþ "temporary dwelling," from E. Norse boa
"dwell," from P.Gmc. *botho (cf. Ger. Bude, M.Du. boode), from base
*bhu- "to dwell" (cf. Lith. butas "house," O.Ir both "hut"), from PIE
base *bheue- "to be, exist, grow" (see be). Cf. also (see bound (adj.
2)). "
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=booth&searchmode=none
I add Baltic Latvian 'buda' - 'hut'.

What a clown you are. Buda is obviously a Germanic loan.

And of course, "buvet" and "buva" sound a little too alike German
bauen, Bau, Swedish bo (meaning as a verb "to reside, to live (in a
certain place)", as a noun "a bird-nest") and Icelandic búa. And by
the way, a camp is in Icelandic búðir, plurale tantum of the singular
búð.

Jack Campin - bogus address

2008-03-29 22:32:17 UTC

Post by Brian M. Scott

I cannot possibly think of what Gaelic word it could come from

Watson discusses
it in his _Celtic Place-Names of Scotland_. He says that
it's found only in Sc.Gael., meaning 'a spot, a particular
place', then 'a clump of wood', etc., also 'a tuft of hair'.
It has diminutives <badán> and <badaidh>, often used in the
sense 'a small company' (of men or animals). He thinks that
it's British <bod> 'residence', specialized to 'spot, place'
and then generalized to the 'clump, tuft' senses.

For some of those (Badenoch, Badenyon), how about "bailtean"? -
variant of "baile" ("farm", "township") pronounced roughly "baden".

It's not particularly common.

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Brian M. Scott

2008-03-29 23:44:51 UTC

Post by Jack Campin - bogus address

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:32:17 +0000, Jack Campin - bogus

Post by Brian M. Scott

I cannot possibly think of what Gaelic word it could come from

For some of those (Badenoch, Badenyon), how about
"bailtean"? - variant of "baile" ("farm", "township")

Variant? It's the nominative plural.

<Badenoch> is <Bàideanach>, from <bàithte> 'drowned,
submerged'; it's effectively 'the drowned/submerged land',
named because it was subject to inundation from Spey.
<Badenyon> appears to be <Bad an Eòin> 'knoll / place of the
birds'.

Post by Jack Campin - bogus address
pronounced roughly "baden".

Very, *very* roughly.

Post by Jack Campin - bogus address
It's not particularly common.

With no attempt to be exhaustive, Watson has about 20
distinct names containing the element, some of them found
more than once.

l***@cs.com

2008-03-30 10:05:46 UTC

is fairly common in the Indian subcontinent,Iran, and central Asia
(Hyderabad, Ashkabad etc.)
(1) is this extant in Europe also?
(2) What is the origin of this place-name ending?

In your area it's -abad, not -bad; Persian, IIRC.

My little book of modern Persian says a^ba^di 'inhabited place'.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
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Interesting... Baltic Latvian has 'badiit/bodiit' meaning 'to poke' or
'to stab'.

C***@gmail.com

2008-04-01 22:19:12 UTC

In your area it's -abad, not -bad; Persian, IIRC.

My little book of modern Persian says a^ba^di 'inhabited place'.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
waters (e.g. Marienbad).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Interesting... Baltic Latvian has 'badiit/bodiit' meaning 'to poke' or
'to stab'.

Why the hell do you call it "*Baltic* Latvian"? Are there non-Baltic
languages called Latvian, too?

l***@cs.com

2008-04-02 04:49:28 UTC

is fairly common in the Indian subcontinent,Iran, and central Asia
(Hyderabad, Ashkabad etc.)
(1) is this extant in Europe also?
(2) What is the origin of this place-name ending?

In your area it's -abad, not -bad; Persian, IIRC.

My little book of modern Persian says a^ba^di 'inhabited place'.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
waters (e.g. Marienbad).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Interesting... Baltic Latvian has 'badiit/bodiit' meaning 'to poke' or
'to stab'.

Why the hell do you call it "*Baltic* Latvian"? Are there non-Baltic
languages called Latvian, too?

Having a monomaniacal day?

Emungo

2008-03-31 15:16:15 UTC

Post by Emungo
But a potentially more interesting and certainly more focussed
question is whether there are or were Persian exonyms for places in
Europe containing -abad.

I was hoping someone might have found this an interesting one to
answer - or even just given some Persian exonyms whether fitting the
bill or not. Spent quite a lot of the weekend looking forward to it,
in fact. Oh well.

a***@hotmail.com

2008-03-28 10:51:38 UTC

is fairly common in the Indian subcontinent,Iran, and central Asia
(Hyderabad, Ashkabad etc.)
(1) is this extant in Europe also?
(2) What is the origin of this place-name ending?

In your area it's -abad, not -bad; Persian, IIRC.

My little book of modern Persian says a^ba^di 'inhabited place'.

I should have known that since abAdi means population in Hindi/Urdu.

Would the Persian word be related to Sanskrit Avarta (place of
abode) ?

And would the European "bad" as place-name be related to the PIE root
of "water"?

Post by Peter T. Daniels
In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
waters (e.g. Marienbad).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

C***@gmail.com

2008-04-01 22:21:00 UTC

Post by a***@hotmail.com

In your area it's -abad, not -bad; Persian, IIRC.

My little book of modern Persian says a^ba^di 'inhabited place'.

I should have known that since abAdi means population in Hindi/Urdu.
Would the Persian word be related to Sanskrit Avarta (place of
abode) ?

Has it ever occurred to you that Hindi/Urdu has borrowed hosts of
words from Persian?

l***@cs.com

2008-03-30 08:49:56 UTC

is fairly common in the Indian subcontinent,Iran, and central Asia
(Hyderabad, Ashkabad etc.)
(1) is this extant in Europe also?
(2) What is the origin of this place-name ending?

In your area it's -abad, not -bad; Persian, IIRC.
In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
waters (e.g. Marienbad).

"bath
O.E. bæð "immersing in water, mud, etc.," also "quantity of water,
etc., for bathing," from P.Gmc. *batham (cf. O.N. bað, M.Du. bat, Ger.
bad), from PIE base *bhe- "to warm" (cf. L. fovere "to foment").
Original sense was of heating, not immersing in water. The city in
Somerset, England (O.E. Baðun) was so called from its hot springs. "

And towards that meaning of 'immersing' I find Latvian 'bazha'
interesting.. meaning 'a place where something is stored' literally 'a
place where something is stuffed into'...

A Latvian christian 'church' is a 'baznica'.. whether this refers to
living or dead people being stuffed inside is not clear, but is
suspect the orginal meaning was analogous to the disparaging greek/
roman pagan 'charnel house' term.

l***@cs.com

2008-03-30 09:56:04 UTC

is fairly common in the Indian subcontinent,Iran, and central Asia
(Hyderabad, Ashkabad etc.)
(1) is this extant in Europe also?
(2) What is the origin of this place-name ending?

In your area it's -abad, not -bad; Persian, IIRC.
In German-speaking areas it's -bad 'bath', i.e. a place with healthful
waters (e.g. Marienbad).

"bath
O.E. bæð "immersing in water, mud, etc.," also "quantity of water,
etc., for bathing," from P.Gmc. *batham (cf. O.N. bað, M.Du. bat, Ger.
bad), from PIE base *bhe- "to warm" (cf. L. fovere "to foment").
Original sense was of heating, not immersing in water. The city in
Somerset, England (O.E. Baðun) was so called from its hot springs. "
And towards that meaning of 'immersing' I find Latvian 'bazha'
interesting.. meaning 'a place where something is stored' literally 'a
place where something is stuffed into'...
A Latvian christian 'church' is a 'baznica'.. whether this refers to
living or dead people being stuffed inside is not clear, but is
suspect the orginal meaning was analogous to the disparaging greek/
roman pagan 'charnel house' term.

Oops.. an additional meaning could be inferred.. 'baznica' could have
originally referred to a place where people were 'immersed' into
baptismal waters at sword point (which the invading 'Brothers of the
Sword' were apt to do). But this would only make sense if the
'Brothers' practised whole body immersion - something that requires
historical corroboration.

Yusuf B Gursey

2008-03-28 20:29:51 UTC